What is ANTIFA?

Episode-090

In today’s episode I invited a Facebook friend (and fellow Rotarian) into the studio to have a discussion about what is ANTIFA and what are they fighting for.  More importantly, we discuss how how America can over come the issues caused by the radical anarchists that are tearing up our cities.

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Russell Facebook Post:

Antifa means “Anti-Fascist”, right? So to oppose Antifa means you’re “pro-Fascist”, right?

In order to answer this question, we should make sure we’re using the same definition of the word “Fascist.” Are we though?

Most of us think of the academic use of the term, as defined by Benito Mussolini, the first Fascist, who was separating his brand of totalitarianism from the Communist brand he had previously agitated for. It’s something like this:

“Everything Within the State, Nothing Against the State, Nothing Outside the State”

1.”Everything in the state”. The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompassing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.

2.”Nothing outside the state”. The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.

3.”Nothing against the state”. Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.

[Side Note: The completely democratic Urban Dictionary was the source of the descriptions of the three maxims of Fascism, because dictionaries and Wikipedia have intentionally obfuscated the meaning.]

Most Americans are definitely against this kind of fascism. We usually think of the Nazi regime as “Fascist” so we think of Anti-Fascist as “Anti-Nazi”.

When Antifa says they are “Anti-Fascist”, they’re not talking about opposing this classical definition of Fascism.

Antifa has re-defined “Fascism” to mean liberal democracy and capitalism.

Are you anti-democracy and anti-capitalism? If you are for political and economic freedom, you oppose Antifa’s ideology. It’s not correct to say you support Antifa if you support self-rule, voting, and free market voluntary trade.

I’m sure you’re skeptical. The deceptive propaganda campaign carried out by the Antifa movement and amplified by the Mafia Media has hidden this fact.

Example: https://www.nytimes.com/article/what-antifa-trump.html

Example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-antifa/

“The fight against fascism is only won when the capitalist system has been shattered and a classless society has been achieved,” according to the German Antifa group, Antifaschistischer Aufbau München.

“The basic philosophy of Antifa focuses on the battle between three basic forces: fascism, racism and capitalism – all three of which are interrelated according to Antifa… with fascism being considered the final expression or stage of capitalism, capitalism being a means to oppress, and racism being an oppressive mechanism related to fascism.”

– Matthew Knouff, author of An Outsider’s Guide to Antifa: Volume II

“After the left has pocketed the concept of liberalism and turned the word into the opposite of its original meaning, the Antifa-movement uses a false terminology to hide its true agenda. While calling themselves ‘antifascist’ and declaring fascism the enemy, the Antifa itself is a foremost fascist movement.

“The members of Antifa are not opponents to fascism but themselves its genuine representatives. Communism, Socialism and Fascism are united by the common band of anti-capitalism and anti-liberalism.

“The Antifa movement is a fascist movement. The enemy of this movement is not fascism but liberty, peace and prosperity.”

Essay: “What Antifa and the Original Fascists Have In Common” by Antony Mueller, a German professor of economics who currently teaches in Brazil

GDR authorities officially referred to the Berlin Wall as the Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall).

The 2016 annual report by Germany’s domestic intelligence service, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), notes the same point: From the viewpoint of the “left-wing extremist,” the label of “fascism” as pushed by Antifa often does not refer to actual fascism, but is merely a label assigned to “capitalism.”

https://www.verfassungsschutz.de/…/verfassungsschutzber…

This article does a good job of reaching out to many sources to clearly define what Fascism means to Antifa activists.

https://www.counterpunch.org/…/the-anti-capitalist…/

Understanding Antifa’s definition of “Fascism” helps to understand why on inauguration day, Antifa rioted and burned parts of Portland in protest of Biden’s presidency. Why? Because Biden represents democracy, and free market capitalism, just like Trump did. There is no difference between “Trump is fascist” and “Biden is fascist” to these people.

Conflating “Anti-Fascism” with “I don’t like Trump” was a good tactic for generating support in the form of government protection and funding, even though it was intentionally misleading.

So I ask, do you support Antifa using their definition of being against Fascism?

If someone doesn’t support Antifa because they are pro free people and free markets, does that make them a Fascist?

Episode Transcript

Ed Bejarana 0:01
Welcome to the conservatives guide to American politics. My name is Ed Bejarana. And I am an otherwise happy go lucky conservative, who enjoys life in North Idaho with his wife and two golden retrievers. For all intents and purposes, I keep to myself and think your folks should live and let live, you know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. But I am frustrated watching the news. All I really tune in to see is the weather and maybe some local interest stories. But most of what they show me is their political biases socialistic tendencies, the American media is no longer neutral. Instead, they use their megaphone to influence political power. The ideals of America have been hijacked by people who otherwise dislike or hate American ideology. I started this podcast as my way to fight back from my little slice of American politics, a rallying cry for other common sense conservatives to arm themselves against the onslaught of negativity. It is time the America hating progressives hear from the silent majority, it is time for conservatives to stand up and be heard. So with me in studio today is a friend of mine, I met at a local incubator here in quarter lane. His name is Russell man, we’re also fellow patriots, if you will, at rotary, where we’re fellow Rotarians, he just joined the quarter ln Rotary Club. So Russell, thank you for coming in studio today.

Russell Mann 1:36
Glad to be here.

Ed Bejarana 1:37
You know, I was intrigued by your post you put on Facebook about a week ago, with kind of a synopsis, if you will, or a description of an Tifa. And I really felt your description of an Tifa was one of the clearest I think I’ve ever read. But before we dive into what you said about an Tifa, you mind sharing a little bit with the listeners about you who you are, what your background is, whatever you’re comfortable sharing,

Russell Mann 2:14
okay. I’m in my 40s multiple entrepreneur, and you don’t just not really pre committed to any sort of ideology. So I take in a lot of political news and sorted out from a pretty relatively independent perspective.

Ed Bejarana 2:42
Excellent, excellent. So tell me about your post, what, before we dive into it, what prompted you to post this,

Russell Mann 2:52
you know, watching the division in our nation and in our community, that stuff just breaks my heart, I put a lot of thought into how to make that better how to come together, how to have a future forward with with our society. So one of the issues that I kind of zeroed in on is the confusion surrounding the various groups and what’s going on. And they may be organized groups or unorganized groups, or ideologies, or temporary associations, whatever they are, but we seem to line up on two sides of a fence and start shooting at each other. Metaphorically, of course, you know, social media seems to give us each view of the world that we prefer, or it wants us to prefer. So it seems that we really aren’t working from common, common understandings a lot. So was given some thought to the issue of an Tifa. And some friends would post pictures of like Eisenhower with the caption and Tifa. Other friends would say something like, Oh, yeah, I’m an Tifa. And I know that they’re not dressing up in Black Bloc, they’re not burning cities, some friends would say, Would conflate BLM and an Tifa and talk about the violence they’re both doing or that this blob amorphous blob is doing. And that’s usually met with a rejection of the idea that the BLM movement is doing the violence by falling back saying, well, maybe the antifa is but not the BLM. So it’s just putting all this in a mixer and trying to understand it, trying to understand what’s, what’s going on here. And kind of comes down to this. You know, we’ve got a perspective in our media, for sure. And a lot in our culture, that what an Tifa stands for is anti fascism. That sounds pretty, pretty good. I would support that anti fascism. But then I realized, wait a minute, there’s something something going on here. That’s a little bit of a wiggle. Word. What is this fascism that an Tifa is against? I think most of us in the general public would think that fascism means like Nazis and stuff, or to go back to Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism. His his definition. The summary, I guess the summary of his definition is everything within the state, nothing against the state and nothing outside the state. So it is a totalitarian statist philosophy that requires literally everything to be to be in there. That’s the kind of fascism that I’m against. But I was wondering, are the people who are committing that violence that we’ve we’ve seen is, is that what they’re doing? And it doesn’t seem like that’s the case, it doesn’t seem like it’s anti, or it’s, I guess, anti state fascism, that they’re really protesting, especially when they have the support of many in government in the state and in the media. That seems a little odd, digging a little deeper, found some evidence that the philosophy that an Tifa is really, against right now looks more like the free market capitalism and against democracy, in the sense of, really, we all get a say in what goes on, not just them. And really, what I’m referring to is the liberal democracy that that this country is founded on. So with that in mind, you know, how do you reconcile those two ideas for what fascism and Tifa is against,

Ed Bejarana 6:38
you know, when Mussolini broke off from what Marx was trying to create, and what Lenin and Stalin we’re moving towards, in Russia, where from each according to their ability to each, according to their need. Mussolini was a far far more totalitarian dictator, he was rather brutal. But actually, if you look at the whole Roman Empire, makeup, and we go back 1000s of years, it’s kind of been the way Italy went. That’s the way the Roman Empire worked, they conquered, they took, and they gave it to their

Russell Mann 7:24
own is assimilated, countless cultures, right assimilated into their state. In fact, the word fascist, it comes from its fascists with like, fa, S, CES or something. And it’s a bundle of like sticks and an axe or something like that weapon and commerce, it’s the bunch. It’s the tying together of the state and the commercial, the commercial side of society. All right. So everything is in the state, in that, in that sense of fascism,

Ed Bejarana 7:59
you don’t from a standpoint, and I agree with you, I believe the folks who are advocating for an Tifa do not want the free market principles to continue. And I think that’s why i globbed on to your thesis, and and invited you on the show because I I think the way you phrased it in your post, really just hit home, it was concise. It was it was well written. Thanks. So from a standpoint of what can America adopt, and let me explain this one here, because it’s, it’s a little, it’s a little challenging. And then I want you to, I want to bring back in your observation of an Tifa and see how we go forward because like you, I just want to live my life. I want to get along with my neighbors as best as possible. I don’t want to impose my will on anybody else, nor have them impose it on me. But if if we look at the standpoint that the protests are actually to limit what private commerce is allowed to do, it’s really coming down to definitions. I think it’s an explanation of terms. And the and Tifa movements, biggest complaint seems to be the dissemination of fake information of false information. They are really pushing and this isn’t These aren’t the kids throwing rocks in the street. That’s just, that’s the brown shirts. That’s the minor component of the movement. I’m talking about the people at the EEOC level up in Congress who are believing in the movement they want to redefine in my opinion how things are explained, for example, capitalism, you ask AOC outright, are you against capitalism? She would say, No. I’m against allowing people to make unlimited sums of money. And I, I would kind of look at that and say, Okay, so how do you square that? Here we have somebody who is rewriting the term capitalism, and then defining everybody who doesn’t agree with her definition of the term as evil.

Russell Mann 10:38
I think that’s the same kind of this definition of terms. Push and Pull is the same kind of thing that’s happening with an Tifa. With capitalism, you know, and Tifa was originally against fascist Germany, because they were communists. That’s why they were against fascists. Not because they were free market, social liberals, Social Democrats, any of that kind of stuff, because they were communists. So it seems pretty hard to make that definition stick right now. But that is the origin of that term. And so by using that term, and Tifa, now, you either have a lie being perpetrated, that those who adhere to this and Tifa ideology. Well, no, we’re not really communists, but they really are. Or they’re using that term deceptively. to confuse us to confuse the issue. I’m not completely familiar with ALCS definitions and so forth. But that principle, the principles going on when an Tifa says we’re just against fascism, if it’s if that fascism is actually designed, defined as free market, and liberal democracy, then anything is, you know, really anything is fascism, whatever they don’t like, it’s a, it’s a cannon, that you can load and everybody supports loading it, and then somebody gets to turn it to whatever target they want.

Ed Bejarana 12:18
You know, in 1963, Ronald Reagan gave a very famous speech. And in it, what he said was, if presented in its entirety, Americans would reject socialism outright, that it’s just not something that, you know, if you present the idea that we’re going to take from you that are working and productive and give to people who are not working and productive. Americans would just reject that. And I, and I think his words hold true. today. I, I don’t think even the people throwing rocks on the front line of an Tifa would support the idea of the fruits of their labor being taken to give and given to people who haven’t earned it with one exception that I’ll share in just a moment. But I think what’s happening in the democratic process right now really has more to do with marketing than it does ideology. And actually, we’ve got President Trump to think on this. President Trump came in with a very simplistic phrase, make America great again. And therefore he implied that America wasn’t great. At the time when the slogan was presented. I love magga. I love the phrase I in fact, this episode will have hashtag magga with it, I’m sure. But here is an example that both sides of this political coin use. Is it deceptive? Would it be appropriate to say deceptive marketing? To push their agenda? Maybe, I don’t know. But here we have a situation where and Tifa is using anti fascism and then secretly defining the phrase as you so eloquently put in your, your post? To get everybody to say, Well, yeah, I’m against Nazis. I, I don’t believe in Nazis.

Russell Mann 14:21
I think the marketing idea is, is a pretty good, a pretty good way to look at it. I think the thing that I really wanted to happen when I posted that was to express my belief that my left of center friends who have expressed pro and Tifa viewpoints aren’t actually pro the things that an Tifa is they’re not actually against the things that an Tifa by characteristic is against, they’re probably not actually against freedom, free markets, democracy, and so forth. They’re probably falling spell to the marketing and saying, Oh yeah, of course, I’m anti fascist, because who isn’t against Nazis. And I would suggest that nobody is pro Nazi. There are a few. They self identify pretty well, the ones I’ve met. I’m from North Idaho. So I’ve been around some groups like that. Not as a member, but just in the CW close, I’ve seen it up close. They’re pretty, they’re pretty happy to identify themselves as such. So there are a few I’ll hold out an exception for that. But it’s extremely small. They’re the what what’s going on right now is they’re defining in Congress. 74 million Americans voted for one guy, as fascist as a menace to society as need to be reprogrammed need to be sent to camps, perhaps some of this language gets a little. A little crazy, but somebody’s saying it. And I don’t feel like that anyone was saying things like that 10 years ago, or 20 years ago. And so this, this, you know, it’s maybe this slippery slope thing that’s happened. First, we allowed groups to take actual fascism and start defining a bigger and bigger circle of, of people as fascists. And now, it seems it’s a it’s a it’s a term that’s encompassing half of the country. And apparently, I guess recently, the guy in charge of the military, push the pause button on the military, so they could root out the fascists. I’m not sure which fascists they’re referring to. Do they mean, Nazis? Do they mean, free market? and democracy proponents? Do they mean, Republicans? do they mean? Anybody with a conservative viewpoint? additionally, there’s, I think it’s hr 127, coming up, to drastically change the way guns, gun rules work in this country. When you get when you dig into it, someone who owns and buys a gun would have less privacy rights than a child molester. Under that bill, should it pass in the form that it’s been presented. And this is all again, being presented under this we’ve got a fight the the fascists or

Ed Bejarana 17:18
the insurrectionists,

Russell Mann 17:20
or magga, or insurrectionists, or whatever, this this ever expanding concentric circles of definition. And that seems really sinister to me somehow, I don’t know what it is. But it, it seems really sinister. And I think at the end of the day, you know, my message to my friends on the left is, you know, keep your eyes open, maybe you’re supporting something that’s not really what it claims to be. And do you really want to treat your neighbors and your friends that way? Do you really want to express yourself your support for a movement that wants to demonize, criminalize, potentially imprison your neighbors for behaviors or actions or beliefs that were that you actually aren’t opposed to? And I’d like to see, I’d like to see some acknowledgement from folks on the left that, yeah, they’ve taken it a little too far. Yeah, they’ve they’ve really, you know, they’ve excused, burning down police buildings and occupying areas of a city, as you know, the struggle against racism or the struggle against fascism. What in the world is that? That? That’s a little bit inconceivable. You know, just 510 years ago, nobody would be able to get there from here. But here we are.

Ed Bejarana 18:48
Well, it’s interesting. They’re using the instrument of freedom of speech, to expand a definition that they are then in turn using to limit speech going forward.

Russell Mann 19:00
Absolutely. hate speech is is has been one of the areas that they’ve attacked, saying hate speech isn’t free speech. You know, I go back to the idea. I can’t remember who expressed it, but we popular speech doesn’t need to be protected. It’s unpopular speech that needs to be protected.

Ed Bejarana 19:17
Well, when you look back at the very founding of our nation, and I’ve talked about this on the program numerous times, the people who wanted to break away from the king and form this new nation, were traitors. Absolutely. When we threw tea into the harbor, we were criminals

Russell Mann 19:39
have a relative whatever it is seven or eight generations back, who’s one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and he was a colonel or whatever, in George Washington’s army. And so that kind of stuff that lights me up.

Ed Bejarana 19:57
So let me ask the big question, because I mean, honestly, we could talk for hours and hours and hours and hours because I get one. You’re an interesting guy, too, this is an important topic. But I want to get to the meat of the matter here. We now have a situation where one side is pitted against the other. And you know whether it is just slick marketing, propaganda, however you want to refer to that, that stoking the fire? What do we do to fix it? How do we turn this around? How do we pull back from the brink?

Russell Mann 20:33
Well, in that post, what I was hoping to do was potentially ignite the discussion with some of my, my friends especially and it’s actually worked, we’ve been able to have good discussions, we need to be talking to each other, we need to be engaging with each other, rather than shutting each other down. So that means taking a step back from the fiery rhetoric, not repeating what you’ve heard on TV and not calling people names. Because they might be on the other side. It means talking to each other and more importantly, listening to each other. And so what I was hoping to do with that post was let’s talk about what what it actually means to be anti fascist. And what do what does it mean to the leaders of the or whoever it’s a leaderless blob, I guess, the people who are burning stuff down, what does it mean to them to be anti fascist? And actually talk about this and, and get it out in the open to pierce that potentially marketing or there might be another metaphor for it. But it’s, it’s it, there’s something there’s a disconnect, and, you know, defining terms, well, working from a common understanding of what things mean, by their characteristics, not by their labels, but by their characteristics. I think I think that’s a prerequisite to any kind of future, you know, future together. We’re working from different sets of facts, because of the way our media sources have bifurcated. When I talk to people about certain events, they’ll they’ll tell me, you know, things say that, perhaps that the President has said, and I’m I’m not, I have no reason to defend him or attack him. But I’ll go look up the transcript and find out Well, that was a incomplete quote, and the complete quote, changes the meaning 180 degrees. That’s just one example. So we need to be working from a common set of facts, we need to be willing to look at what the other side is presenting and consider it, you know, see what’s going on. We need to work from a common set of facts and a common set of definitions before we can really engage with each other at all. You know, otherwise, we’re already separated, we’re de facto already already separated.

Ed Bejarana 22:50
You know, I look at the situation with social media. The Neil Postman wrote decades ago, that the the digital world would divide America would would destroy America. And he wrote several books actually on the topic. I argued with him via handwritten letters, letters back and forth. But being a computer scientist, I thought the idea that the advancement of technologies was going to hurt things was was a travesty. So the idea that we have to change our language, in order to get along, when we’re in a platform that I as a computer scientist was 100% behind the formation of really put me back really put me on edge because, on one hand, I argued that technology has allowed me to experience life with people that I never would have met. I’m not much of a traveler. I knew that I would never go to Australia, it just takes too long to sit in whatever mode of transportation to get there. And therefore I would never meet anybody in Australia or New Zealand. And yet now I have a lot of friends in Australia and New Zealand. We’ve never met but we’ve conversed but the question comes down to is the conversation really human and nature? Is it advancing the political ball? My dad when when I was young, he used to take me to the barber shop. And which is funny because he was mostly bald, but he would go to the barber shop every week. And I learned as as I grew older, that what he was doing was was just talking with the boys.

Russell Mann 24:52
This is an information flow, isn’t it?

Ed Bejarana 24:54
Exactly. It was a social networking experience. And and there were some heat discussions. In fact, I once commented that his barber was just an outright racist. This guy said things about black people that I refuse to repeat. I said, Why do you go to this man? He says St. Paul, if you don’t listen to all points of view, you’re cut out from what we’re fighting for.

Russell Mann 25:18
And

Ed Bejarana 25:21
we’re now in a platform where we all say something stupid. I, my wife points out that I say something stupid daily. And she’s right. And then when we say it on social media, that’s just multiplied, amplified, and distributed for all to see, what is that stupidity?

Russell Mann 25:39
That’s a great metaphor for social media.

Ed Bejarana 25:42
So can we turn this around in a social media amplified world? And if so, how?

Russell Mann 25:51
So first of all, I completely relate to your feelings of what this could have been. I grew up in a small town in North Idaho. And in 1995, I had saved up enough from farming on the on the fields, to buy myself a computer, got on the internet, and the world changed for me. No longer was limited to the local small town, I guess, mentality or lifestyle. But I had access now to physicists that were working on, you know, nuclear projects, that I could just email them and ask them a question. I went through a phase where I was, I was reading about Jews for Jesus. And so I emailed the rabbi and said, what about this Jews for Jesus thing? He’s a New York rabbi, he emails me back and says, people who believe in Jesus, even if they’re Jews, we call them Christians. Okay, cool. That’s I’m satisfied. There are no rabbis in my small town in North Idaho, I don’t know how I would have gotten that perspective. Without the internet in 1995. It changed changed my life. So all all kinds of love for the connection that it was meant to create. When you go back and watch some of the early internet pioneers from the 70s. They’re not talking about the technology, they’re talking about the connection, the human the ability to connect humans that otherwise could not be connected. And we seem to have put together a way to connect in and be alone in a crowd and be connected and be getting, not getting the best out of each other. But in some ways, getting the worst out of each other. We seem to have created a system that rewards sarcastic responses to genuine questions or genuine seeking type of behaviors. We seem to reward at this point, the simplest the modification of an idea, rather than the nuance. I think nuance changes everything. Am I for or against something? Well, that depends. There’s a lot of different bits and pieces that could be understood in the nuance. But instead, we have we have memes that we see that mean, we go haha, that pokes it pokes a finger in the eye of the other side. So I’m going to share it too. And then we amplify, we don’t amplify the new ones, we amplify the simplistic. Gosh, and I’m guilty, I laugh I share. I’m not sitting on my high horse here. I’m in the mud. But we amplify we Yeah, we amplify the simplistic understanding. And and there’s some there’s some science behind this in Thinking Fast and Slow. The author writes about how you know our brains are run on glucose and the fuel that it takes to understand a simple thing versus understanding a complex, nuanced thing. It’s more fuel, and our brains are efficient. So just scroll on past we’ve made it incredibly easy to scroll on past something that’s complicated to understand. And, you know, I guess I’m, I’m too old for Instagram. I don’t get it. But when I see people doing is just scrolling, just pictures. It’s just pictures. There aren’t any words. Oh, my gosh, what have we done? So I think it takes some courage. I think it takes some ability to, to choose to dig in to the hard stuff, dig into the complex, nuanced ideas behind the Easy, easy to swallow memes that usually confirm our biases. So I think it comes back to us using the technology a certain way. There’s definitely ways in which the platform’s themselves have taken to you know, I, I I’m not one of the kind of people who thinks it’s a sinister plot. I think they’re just Their goal is, is engagement. So if you’re engaging in simplistic memes, you’re going to get more simplistic beams because that’s what you engage in. If you engage in long form content, you’re going to get more long form content, because that’s what the algorithm is, is detecting you want. I think it comes down to us choosing whether we’re going to work for a connected community, or if we’re going to, I think it’s the default is we fall away, I think that you know, the default for humanity take going back to, you know, look, looking down from the stars, the default is poverty on the whole planet. It’s only by working and by trading, that we have anything. I think in social media, the default is exactly what we have right now. This is the lowest common denominator. I’m knocking on wood, hoping it doesn’t go lower.

Ed Bejarana 30:56
Let’s, let’s not set a challenge. Oh, boy.

Ed Bejarana 31:00
Well, okay, so building on that, we’ll wrap up on this point here, I, I started pulling back from social media. I don’t know if it was in protest, out of anger, out of frustration, but I started pulling back but I, I have to explain the reason why I was in social media in the first place, it is my job. I’m a digital marketer. And it was kind of my job, my clients count on me to know this stuff, so that I can help them through the process. So I have a big Facebook following. I’m on all the social media platforms, I use them on a regular basis, kind of like it’s a muscle skill, you don’t swing a hammer, you’re not very good at swinging a hammer. It’s the same thing in my mind, I used all of the social media platforms, so that I could help my clients through that process. And as a result, in the beginning, I felt like the platform itself compelled me to participate or dabble in more things. And as I was pulling back from those things, as I was deleting the variables that I had stored in Facebook, I noticed that okay, I added that variable in 2015. And I’ve never looked at it since. And it kind of made me take stock on life and realize just how boring a person I might actually be. But we we really only have a few hobbies. We only have a few active activities that we do on a daily basis or a weekly basis. Yet, when we look at our social networking profile, we may have hundreds of things that we’re touching. And and I think you’ve touched on it masterfully. The memes, it the whole platform itself has shrunk down the involvement to 32nd sound bites or less. And you know what call it a form of social bullying. Cyber bullying, that’s really what it is. It is a gotcha. It and i’m i’m just as guilty of it, I post a lot of memes I they are who they are, you know, you you take a picture you have Photoshop the hell out of it. And you put a funny saying on it. It is it is a heck of a lot of fun. But is it really that much different from cyber bullying?

Russell Mann 31:00
Yeah, that’s an interesting, an interesting perspective there. One thing I’ve done with my Facebook feed is it’s not strictly science, but I’m testing what gets engagement, because I understand that that’s the point of the system. And the dumbest. I’ve done a lot of puns lately, because I didn’t really want to raise anybody’s blood pressure on political or any other kinds of topics like that. But if I post a stupid pun, I mean, I could I’ve found the stupidest ones that I am embarrassed to post maximum engagement, hundreds of hundreds of engagement on you know, likes or comments or whatever, on the worst posts, then I write a long form something or another post ignored. Yeah, it’s, it’s ignored. So yeah. And this is just me, you know, testing the system. And as a bullying thing I can I can see that point I have I have certain friends whose feeds I, I desperately tried not to hide them or snooze them or whatever. Because, you know, I still believe in the human being behind the screen being important, but it’s it’s like this constant drip of, you know, you know, really morphine to caring about people. That’s it’s the demonizing the other side on this constant morphine drip. And I think that’s, that’s, that’s the I think I’m more concerned about what the social media does to the person using it than the person reading it. Sort of like in when Viktor Frankl talks about concentration camps actual Nazis, in the concentration camps, he is in the impact on the Nazi soldier doing things to to the prisoners. You know, that’s what he was talking about, like the how difficult it is on the torturer. That’s kind of how I, I’m seeing that sure if it is cyber bullying, I’m concerned about what the impact is for enabling the bully to express that bullying so easily.

Ed Bejarana 35:36
Well, so I think in the process of this discovery, and we’ll conclude here, do less on Facebook, do what’s important to you on Facebook, don’t eliminate it. We don’t need to abandon the ship. I think you touched on it earlier. We’re not talking with one another, we’re talking at one another. You didn’t quite say it that way. But didn’t it? I believe that’s what you meant. And if we abandon the platform, then there’s no conversation to be had.

Russell Mann 36:03
I was really upset when a group of people want went to parlor or parlay however you’re supposed to say that. And then a group of people went to Twitter. I’m not exactly sure how that all worked out. It had to do with the censorship of some ideas and other ideas. But okay, great. Not only are they already giving us feeds that are directed to our own sensibilities, now, people are going to be on separate platforms altogether, in separate eco steps to systems of information.

Ed Bejarana 36:32
Yeah, Stephen King wrote a book about that. It’s called the stand. And that didn’t work out too well in the book, either. So when we separate people, we no longer build on the ideas. So with your permission, Russell, I’d like to post your posting verbatim, with the blog posting for this episode.

Russell Mann 36:53
Yep. And also, there’s, in the discussion, a couple of other important things came out, I’d love to maybe add those to that. What you publish. Sure,

Ed Bejarana 37:02
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